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TT Moscova 2016

Mesaj de braker23 » Lun, 10 August '15, ora 13:17

Da, pe bune. Dar stati sa va spun de unde a pornit. Il stiti cumva pe Zver? Daca nu, pot sa vad spun esentialul: este un technician rus priceput, administratorul site-ului http://bricktrucktrial.com/ dar si omul din spatele TT-urilor organizate in Rusia. Am dat de el din intamplare, si dupa mai multe mesaje, va spun unde am ajuns :)

Pe scurt, rusii vor sa faca urmatorul TT sa fie unul international, si ne invita in mod expres. TT-ul va avea loc in Mai-Iunie 2016, ramane sa stabilim de comun acord data exacta. TT-ul va avea loc in Moscova, intr-un parc desigur, ca sa va faceti o idee, uite filmul de la ultimul lor TT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8L8JYq-j_0

Regulile lor sunt mai stricte ca si punctare, dar permit RC-uri, sBrick sau cauciucuri non-Lego, cu penalizari corespunzatoare.
Am de la Zver ultima varianta de reguli, in rusa, o sa o traduc cu Google Translate si v-o postez aici, mai tarziu.

Le puteti gasi si pe forum-ul lor, unde sunt si multe MOC-uri, deci o buna sursa de inspiratie pe viitor:
http://doublebrick.ru/forums/viewforum. ... f911812843

Acuma, sunt curios sa stiu e cine ar fi interesat de o asemenea excursie, in principiu. Eu o vad ca o vacanta + TT integrat, o noua modalitate de a-ti face concediile :) Vroiam de mult sa vizitez Rusia, mai ales Moscova, asa ca o sa fac tot posibilul sa ajung acolo.

Deci, cum vi se pare ideea asta?

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Re: TT Moscova 2016

Mesaj de bedstefan » Lun, 10 August '15, ora 13:51

Bagatul pieselor in balta e una, bagatul motoarelor si chestiilor inteligente ca sbrick sau mindstorms in balta e alta mancare de peste :)

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Mesaj de lapsanszkitamas » Lun, 10 August '15, ora 14:07

Ai de mine, mereu am vrut sa vad Kubinka Tank Museum si marfarele rusesti :D Sunt si eu interesat, evident ca spectator! Iunie ar fi super, si avem timp pana atunci sa adunam ruble (si proiectile de 88mm) roflol

Asta daca situatia se detensioneaza. Deocamdata Ruasia are in vizor tarisoara noastra datorita scutului antiracheta si a fortelor NATO stationate la noi
Nu aveţi permisiunea de a vizualiza fişierele ataşate acestui mesaj.
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Mesaj de thedutch21 » Lun, 10 August '15, ora 19:37

Frumos din partea lor sa ne invite, insa e ceva distanta pana acolo si nu m-as incumeta sa-mi iau TTuri in bagajul de cala, pe avion. In plus, baietii astia sunt putin extremi cu traseele (in special apa ma deranjeaza, pt ca face rotile sa alunece si distruge motorasele).

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Mesaj de braker23 » Mar, 11 August '15, ora 11:38

@bedstefan: Din cate am vazut eu, nu era mare raul ala, putem si noi trece relativ usor peste, acum ca avem roti de 94 :)

@tamas: Ma bucur ca esti interesat, si de spectatori o sa fie nevoie, iar muzeul ala de tancuri il adaug la lista mea de obiective.

@thedutch: Stiu ca e departe, dar is dispus sa fac asta pentru ca stiu ca rezista modelele la transport, daca le impachetezi bine.
Oricum, mai este si varianta de a merge cu trenul la cuseta, faci cam mult dar costa mai putin. In ceea ce priveste apa, se comporta cam la fel ca si nisipul, normal ca mai aluneca, dar atata timp cat nu le supraturezi, n-o sa ai probleme. Ramane de vazut, e clar.

Apropo, rusii au facut la ei pe forum un thread cu intalnirea, pana acum a fost primita bine, desi nu-s prea activi, din cate vad.
O sa postez regulile in urmatorul post, sunt detaliate si diverse, merita sa le cititi ;)

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Competition rules on Truck Trial "Double Brick" (August 2015 edition)

1. General Information

Lego Truck Trial (TT) - a competition driving techniques truck models in which factor in determining the result is not the speed and time, and the accuracy of the passage of the track.

The main task of the participants will be overcome strip natural and artificial obstacles.
Participate in the CT may everyone who built your car in accordance with the technical regulations paragraphs ...
It is also allowed to participate in two or more machines. At the first party to pass the car in the track order according to the draw for the second and subsequent cars - after the passage of a line all the other participants.

Track TT is a set of special stages (c / a), designated a restrictive tape and / or entry and exit gates. The participants' task is to pass / y in the allotted time limit, gaining a minimal amount of penalty points. The route of the track is determined by the organizers in advance.

2. The requirements for the model

Application elements LEGO:
˗ resolve any components manufactured LEGO;
˗ allowed engines and systems PF, Mindstorm, 9v and other ever built LEGO;
˗ number of engines and the type is not limited;
˗ management model, any radio, infrared, wired - made of Lego. (at the time of arrival, use the remote control is only permitted party located on the highway that would eliminate various "crosstalk" from outsiders remote control)
˗ BB only those systems of Lego, in unlimited quantities. Installation only model.
˗ allowed: LEGO pneumatic systems, linear actuators.
˗ allowed production of LEGO stickers and homemade labels.
˗ By decision of the judges is allowed to use tires NeLEGO or modified tires. At the same party before arrival is charged 1 500 penalty points.

2.1. Mandatory requirements for model
˗ model must be a truck or jeep / Crawlers (tractors and other appliances are not allowed)
The finished appearance ˗ cars. (cab, if desired / possible - the body). Chassis without cab are not allowed
˗ Track 15-20,5 cm (19-26 pins)
If ˗ constructed model of the original, it is performed on a scale of 1:10 to 1:13 to meet the size and proportions of the original
˗ If the model is built-NEkopiya: Track 15-20,5 cm (19-26 pins), a minimum spacing of 22 cm / 27sht for 2-axle vehicles. (with 3-axis distance between the first circuit 2mya axes, with 4-axis between the second and third axes)
˗ Permitted minimum wheel diameter: 81,6mm (94.8 recommended)
˗ number of wheels in contact with the ground from the 4.
˗ number of bridges from 2. Number of driving axles - are all available on the machine.
˗ number of steering axles: At least one.
˗ console can be connected with the vehicle only wires and hoses.
˗ Placing the engines and battery packs at the discretion of the user, but only the vehicle.

2.2. Allowed additional opportunities and mechanisms
˗ Height adjustable suspension
˗ Installing a winch on the model (restriction on cable length: up to 1 meter)
˗ Transmissions any configuration.
˗ lockable differentials.
˗ lubrication mechanisms.

2.3. Forbidden
˗ Bonding details.
˗ Using dual wheels (except for twin motorcycle wheels, provided their association with rubber tracks).
˗ use of caterpillars and other "nekoles" as a mover.
˗ Homemade BB and other details.
˗ Application "break" or articulated chassis (such as front loaders).
˗ Application dynamic center of gravity.
˗ The use of wheels of various diameters.
˗ Painting details.
˗ use labels as a fastening element.

3. The rules of accrual of penalties
˗ 10 - touch the gate or limiter section;
˗ 60 - hitting and / or damage to the gate and limiter section;
˗ 100 - exceeding the time limit passage / y for each minute exceeded. The maximum time limit exceeding the passage with / - 5 minutes;
˗ 1000 - any touch models hands during the passage of the track (including activation mechanisms) or by pulling the wires, except for the following violations:
 60 - use of winches mounted on the model of the participant;
 300 - "help each other" (someone from participating in the case of necessity pulls winch mounted on the model, the machine student at the moment, with the Model Assistant does not have the right to move on their own (the model can move only if the winch dragging does not need the help of the machine, and lifts her a model assistant)); if the model was given an assistant in the wrong place, or too close to the car tightened party, when you change the position of the fine takes into account one more time;
 400 - long "help each other" (different from the "help a friend" that in this situation the model assistant can move on their own);
 500 - repairs to abandonment of the track. Each model is allowed no more than one repair for the race. Renovated party may take the track after the passage of the track all the other participants. After repair model is back on the last passed the gate judge.
 1000 - permutation model participant in the previous gate judge at the request of a participant or manual reset models on the road (in the previous gate) after the accident (the judge must return). No more than one permutation / return on each / y.
 5000 - refusal to undergo a participant site or exceeding the limit travel time by more than 5 minutes (model adjustable to the next gate judge) (maximum of 2 times in the race for each model);

Penalties accrued party for all violations while driving section, including repeated, summarized and are the result in this section.
Each participant has the opportunity to refuse to pass any section and any of the gates, which are awarded for appropriate penalties.

4. Options tracks
The track is formed by the "gate" and / or "tape" barriers in nature and artificial obstacles with flags, made on sheets of plywood 50 * 50cm.
Detailed descriptions and photos contained in the subject before each race (if possible).

5. Regulation of arrival
Before each race, published by "regulation" establishes:
˗ configuration of the route, the number of sections and obstacles and a list of them (if artificial).
list of participants.
˗ Place and time.
˗ Additional conditions are described in the "rules"

6. Glossary
"Section" or "special stage" - the territory bounded by natural or artificial barriers, which has natural and artificial obstacles. As artificial barriers used restrictive tape. Installed in the door sections and additional fence is also an obstacle. Entry and exit gates sections denoted plates with serial numbers. Section proceeded in accordance with the established numbering.
 "Gate" - the space between two vertical bars height of 15 - 25 cm, limiting corridor for the passage of the car through them. The width of the gate is not regulated and established a panel of judges in the preparation of the track, but can not be less than the width of the vehicle to the established rules. With the passage of the gate: the bar, which has color-coded to remain on the left ahead of the vehicle.

Gates deemed to exist only in the presence of two facing bars. (Permissible tilt rod (rod) arising from the touch of her car, either by ground motions). If the gate is not numbered in section, they can be held in an arbitrary sequence. The whole area inside the fence section can be used to maneuver.

"Time limit" - limiting the length of time set by the panel of judges for the passage of the participants section. If not announced before the race otherwise, the limit is 3 minutes.

"Start in the section" - the intersection of any point of the contour of the car alignment gates. Start is at the command of the judge. Since the start of the time limit begins to run for the party in this section.

"Finish in the section" - the intersection point of the contour of the car last alignment exit gate. At the time of the finish stops counting the time limit for the party in this section.

"Touch the bar gate" - touch any part of the vehicle boom gate that does not lead to a drop rod. In the case of multiple touches one side of a vehicle boom gate at movement in one direction is counted only one touch.

"Zoom in or damage to the bar gate" - drop goal post on the ground caused by the touch, and (or) breaking rod because hitting it with any part of the vehicle. At the time of the fall of the gate rods cease to exist as an obstacle to passage. For impact and damage to the bar, even in the case of repeated collision, the penalty is charged only once.

"The passage of the gate" - passage of a vehicle through the target under the following conditions:
a) first while moving the axis of the vehicle must cross the target;
b) at least one of the all-wheel side of the vehicle must cross the target;
c) the entire path of a vehicle should go beyond target.

Failure to comply with at least one of the conditions of gates are considered not to be passed. In the event of a collision and fall of one of the two bars earlier than the target cross the centers of the two wheels of the first axis of the direction of travel of the car, the gate is not considered to exist and is not traversed by. Passage of the gate in the wrong direction is not allowed.

"Failure in the section" - the refusal of the party to further movement in the section, and notice of the judge. Failure to start in the section entails charging the maximum penalty in this section.

"Exceeding the limit of time" - a situation where the party has not finished within the allotted time limit. At the time the limit is reached it will be stopped and disqualified by the judge and by assigning the appropriate penalty.

A - Front overhang
setting geometric cross, equidistant from the center of the front wheels to the front end of the vehicle - establish in practice

D - Rear overhang
setting geometric cross, equidistant from the center of the rear wheels to the extreme rear of the vehicle - establish in practice

E - wheel base
the distance between the pair of front or rear wheels. It characterizes the width of the road necessary for the passage of the vehicle.

B- Base car
wheelbase of the car; for multi-axle vehicles - the sum of the distances between all axes

F - wheel track
vehicle, the distance between the longitudinal axes of prints (on the road surface) of the right and left wheels of one vehicle axle

C - The length of the vehicle

7. The general rules of competition
All management process shall judge the competition. He gives the starting command, control time limit, captures and evaluates violations, penalty points and determines the result, removes the participant from further passage section, led by recovery after the passage of each section of the car. For a more accurate assessment of situations the judge may have several assistants. Participants are not allowed to interfere with the actions of the judge during the competition. If you have any questions participants may ask the judge for an explanation after passing all the cars section. In case of disagreement with the actions of judges, participants can appeal against. Protests may not be filed on the fact of violation, which captures only the judge. Any information on violations on the part of outsiders, including video, can be taken into account, but can not be a factor, uniquely determined by the final decision.

The starting order of vehicles in the sections and the order of passage sections determined by a draw before the competition. Credit is given for results in the sections that have passed all categories of participants, and all of them should be able to finish this section.

With the passage section of the participant must be located within the section immediately next to the car, but not touching it, and trace elements. The exception is the need for a winch, with forbidden to move the car from the place of hands and various objects.

During the competition in the section can be only one participant and his car. Login section of the other participants and spectators is strictly prohibited.

The vehicle can continue to move as long as the battery allows you to charge.
Replacing batteries during the passage section is not permitted.

The loss of detail when driving and accidents, do not affect the driving characteristics, the outcome will not affect arrival. It is not allowed to install the items back. No fee will be charged.

Allowed to return the car came down the road due to an accident and remained "on track." Return carries the judge. Charged a fine in accordance with pp 3. Between the passage of various sections of the repair is possible (only artificial slopes).

Cars have lost the ability to self-motion - removed from the race.

By the decision of the judge participant can repair defective car during the race. Member releases the track for all future participants and renovated back to a free track immediately after the last traversed by the gate. Penalty points are awarded in accordance with paragraphs 3.

It does not touch the car during the passage of the track.

Use of the winch is only allowed in cases where the vehicle can not independently overcome some obstacle. The resolution gives the judge. Time does not stop.

"Hook" winch can cling only to the elements of terrain or obstacles, other than fencing section

The final result is determined by the competition for the party in accordance with the fewest penalty points.

The least amount of points in the final report corresponds to the 1st place.

In case of equal results the winner will be the younger age participant.

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Re: TT Moscova 2016

Mesaj de lapsanszkitamas » Mar, 11 August '15, ora 14:51

braker23 scrie:mai este si varianta de a merge cu trenul la cuseta
Cam 200 EUR dus-intors cu plecare din bucale; dar mai caut detalii.
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Mesaj de braker23 » Joi, 13 August '15, ora 10:35

Tamas, unde ai gasit tu preturile astea? Vezi cat m-ar costa din Cluj, la mine pe bahn.de nu-mi arata pretul pt nici o perioada...

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Mesaj de lapsanszkitamas » Joi, 13 August '15, ora 11:12

Undeva intr-un pdf pe CFR Calatori. Dar este o problema: trenul direct Bucuresti-Moscova a fost anulat. Exista posibilitatea de a merge Bucuresti-Chisinau-Moscova sau cu ceva pana la Ungheni si de acolo direct cu trenul de Moscova. Astea ar fi variantele cu putine schimbari. Eu mi-am gasit din TgMures pana in Moscova cu 3 trenuri pana la Ungheni (TgM-Siculeni, Siculeni-Iasi, Iasi-Ungheni), unul de la granita la Chisinau si inca unul pana in Moscova. Pentru tine ar fi trenurile fomii (Timisoara-Cluj-Iasi) si continuare la fel ca la mine. Pentru Bucuresteni ar fi IR402, continuare cu trenurile amintite la inceput (pl la 4 dimineata din Iasi)

Din pacate, dupa cum ne-am obisnuit deja, nu exista informatii actuale cu privire la pret. Dar incerc sa aflu informatii
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Mesaj de braker23 » Joi, 13 August '15, ora 11:33

Da, am vazut si eu ca nu e asa usor precum credeam, cea mai scurta ruta e Cluj-Iasi, Iasi-Ungheni, Ungheni-Chisinau si Chisinau-Moscova. Scurta inseamna 52 de ore, deci peste 2 zile pe drum, nu prea merge. Eu zic sa nu mai cauti, sa vad cum ar fi cu avionul.

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Mesaj de lapsanszkitamas » Vin, 14 August '15, ora 17:19

Otopeni-Moscova 720-750 lei pentru adult, rezervat de pe acum. Cu trenul mai astept info
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Mesaj de iuliand » Vin, 14 August '15, ora 23:14

Nu uitați ca va trebuie viza care se acorda după un scurt interviu la consulat. Există și o taxă de viza care îmi amintesc ca nu e tocmai modica. Întâi se rezervă biletele de călătorie și cazarea și apoi obții viza... Dacă nu ți se acorda viza... paguba.
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Mesaj de lapsanszkitamas » Sâm, 15 August '15, ora 00:57

OK, ce am aflat azi de la un moldovean, trenul Chisinau-Moscova este avantajos si bun (tras de locomotiva dubla fabricata inaintea lui Cristos :D ). @iuliand, cum e cu interviul asta? Io n-am facut nicio calatorie in afara tarii, asa ca nu prea ma pricep. Aia stiu ca trebuie pasaport ca nu-s tari UE, totusi trecem 3 granite. Daca trebuie sa ma plimb de 3 ori pana in bucale la consulat devine prea scumpa vizita la Moscova
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Mesaj de iuliand » Sâm, 15 August '15, ora 20:45

Eu am fost in Rusia de doua ori cu viza turistica dar a trecut ceva timp de cand am fost ultima oara (parca prin 2012). Din cauza asta nu imi amintesc foarte clar formalitatile de obtinere a vizei plus ca intre timp e posibil sa se mai fi schimbat. Am incercat sa caut acum pe siteul consulatului taxele dar vad ca siteul este schimbat si nu am reusit sa le gasesc la o cautare rapida.

Din ce imi amintesc:
- Am platitit la Alpha Bank o taxa consulara care a fost pentru obtinerea vizei la urgenta si nu a fost deloc ieftina. Din pacate nu mai retin suma. Oricum si pentru obtinerea vizei fara urgenta tot trebuie platita o taxa.
- Am avut o "invitatie" de la o agentie de turism din Moscova care atesta perioada sejurului si hotelul. Nu stiu daca mai este necesara dar daca da, probabil trebie vorbit cu o agentie de turism din RO si intrebat cum se obtine.
- Am depus actele personal unde am sustinut un mic interviu in care practic m-a intrebat unde ma duc, de ce, daca am mai fost... chestii obisnuite sa vada daca te balbai :)
- In Rusia o data ce ai ajuns la destinatie ai obligatia ca in 24 de ore sa depui un formular la politie ca sa iti anunti prezenta. De obicei hotelul se ofera sa te inregistreze ei contra unei taxe de cateva ruble.

In esenta te prezinti de doua ori la consulat, o data cand depui actele si o data cand ridici pasaportul cu viza. Consulat este la Constanta si la Bucuresti la ambasada.
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Mesaj de braker23 » Sâm, 15 August '15, ora 21:51

@tamas: mersi ca te-ai informat pentru tren/avion ;)
@iulian: chiar vroiam sa te intreb mai multe referitor la viza, mersi mult pentru informatiile detaliate. Stiam ca nu e usor sa obtii viza, dar 2 vizite in Bucuresti e totusi mai mult decat ma asteptam. Trebuie sa mai sap si sa vad cat m-ar costa toata aventura asta.